Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. .470 Nitro Express. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. Where the .338 Winchester drives its 250-grain bullet to 2650 fps, the .358 Norma beats that figure by 100 fps or so, delivering over 4,200 ft.-lbs. The softpoints were used for the various antelope species, dangerous cats and even buffalo, while the full-patch, non-expanding solids would be used on elephant. As it was released in the first century of the . For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. pushes a 200-grain bullet to just more than 2000 f.p.s. Essentially the .338 Winchester Magnum necked up to hold .358-inch bullets, the .358 Norma Magnum made all sorts of sense to a hunter in pursuit of large game, such as elk, moose and the great bears of the north. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. It never got up. So we see that even with a one pound lighter rifle, the .358 recoils slightly less than a .300 magnum. The .35 Rem. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. plowed fresh ground. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. How it would have done on a live animal is impossible to say. That does not mean that any gunsmith who had his own ideas about velocity and accuracy might not include it or go completely the other way. The rifle, cartridge, and bullet must be capable of handling that one opportunity. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. Looks like I'll do a Whelen. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. Then come the .30s, and now were talking business. The rivalry between the .338-inch and .358-inch bore diameters has a considerable history; both topped out at 300 grains (at one point in time in history), and both have a lower end of 180 grains. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Honestly, the concept of being overgunned is somewhat mystifying to me, provided you can place the shot. 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Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. [1] The better ones create mild gallery or small-game loads that are economical, quiet, virtually without recoil and best of all a lot of fun to shoot. The .356 Win. Normas original spec sheet for the .358 Norma Magnum when it was released in 1959 indicated the cartridges ballistics. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. Remington continues to offer factory ammo, and its 200-grain factory load has a muzzle velocity of 2675 f.p.s., while the 250-grain loads muzzle velocity is 2400 f.p.s. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. Back in the late 70's I picked up a custom 1903 in 358 Norma Mag, awesome rifle, very accurate and it put a thump on deer, I bought it hopping to get a moose tag back in MN, never did and sold the rifle. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. The .350 Rem. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Here are the features to watch out for. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. Mag. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? Maybe it's a regular BDL? Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. Heres a look at 10 of the most flexible long-range hunting cartridges. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. The cartridge predates the more famous .416 by three years, and the .350 Rigby was the first to feature the sharp 45-degree shoulder which is the hallmark of the Rigby designs. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. G. Joined: Sep 2009. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? Recoil was completely manageable, and it inspired me to begin the journey of having my own .350 Rigby rifle built. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. What keeps it alive? What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? The bullet was the then-new Trophy Bonded 250-grain Bear Claw. Campfire 'Bwana. 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There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. As an experiment, I shot the nilgai five or six more times with different bullets, then hauled the carcass back to the cleaning station intact and carried out a necropsy. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. If you happen to have a .35 and don't mind the extra recoil, there is no denying that it will flat get the job done. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. Here in North America, you could take the .350 Rigby anywhere youd take the .35 Whelen or .358 Norma Magnum, and that includes north to Alaska for the great bears. Give a Gift
My vote is for the .35 Whelen. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Not so the .358 Norma. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. This wonderful efficiency of the .35 calibers is especially remarkable when one considers that most all of these rounds are verging on obsolescence today. I have become a 35 cal. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. I'd go with the 35 whelen. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. No, its not exactly easy on the shoulder, but its not terrible either. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. My favorite hunting round. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. It was recovered in bits and pieces. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Where does the .358 Norma sit, in comparison to the more popular cartridges in its class? To return to our boxing analogy, the .358 Norma Magnum not only has the Hammer of Thor, but it also offers an excellent jab, a good hook, a wicked uppercut and a variety of feints. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Mag. Thier wouldn't be any action mods required to do the Whelen,just rebarrel and enjoy. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. Shorter and more common than the magnum-length receiver needed for the .375 and .300 Holland & Holland Magnum, the Winchester Model 70s and Remington Model 721s gave a new level of performance when chambered for the new magnums. In cartridges, as in boxing, what goes on behind the scenes often determines the outcome. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. The bullet went in behind the near shoulder, struck the far shoulder from the inside, and the blue bull hit the ground with a thud. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is with Dawn Wehunt of Rock River Arms INC. learning about the new Ascendant platform. They can take their time and pick their shots. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. As a comparison, the .358 Winchester with a 250 grain bullet at 2300 fps delivers 25.4 foot-pounds of recoil from a 7.5 pound rifle. bruce. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. 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As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Out of stock View Details . No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. It also notes that the reconstituted Schultz & Larsen company is offering the chambering in its Model 97 takedown rifle. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. They will also slap down lighter game like deer, feral hogs and black bear with authority, of course. But in those countries where the lighter cartridges are legal for the cats, the .350 Rigby Magnum is just about perfect. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). Here in North America big game starts with deer. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). Three rivals: (1) .338 Winchester Magnum, (2) .358 Norma Magnum and (3) .375 H&H. Today we have better bullets than when I was a kid. In an age of ultra-specializatio in every field, and especially rifles, such versatility is almost an anachronism. 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Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. That load has a maximum optimal range on 1000 pound game (like a big Alaskan moose or brown bear) of 151 yards. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. Thought about that 375 Ruger but nah. Just have it rebarreled to 9.3X62, and you will have a 358 Norma with five in the magazine! Quite a difference! And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. Oklahoma. Rifle Recoil Table. Short of a wounded elephant or Cape buffalo in thick cover, there is no game I can think of for which you could not concoct a load in the .358. The classic .350 Rigby Magnum load pushes a .358-inch diameter 225-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2625 fps for 3,440 ft.-lbs. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. Bottles & 12-oz. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. The body of the .350 Magnum measures 0.517 inches at the base, smaller than the 0.589-inch base of the .416 Rigby. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. [/quote]. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. Let's also compare the .358 with the other end of the spectrum. Size aside, American elk are very tough creatures. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. That year, Remington also brought out the Model 673 Guide Gun in .350 Rem Mag. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . Being able to take off the scope and work with iron sights, using cast bullets or light jacketed bullets, adds an entirely new dimension to the rifle. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads.