Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. COLUMBINE, pisode 3 : l'impact sur la socit, 3. Hey mom, gotta go Tom isnt even included in the insincere goodbye. End of story. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. Jesus, what a loathsome pair of people. The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. Psychiatry has long attacked outsiders of all kinds, including gays, while not saying a word about society. Dylan, Cullen writes, was depressed. ", Eric "If only we would have searched their room. The deadliest school shooting in the United States was the Virginia Tech massacre, with 33 fatalities and 23 injuries. Susan Francis Klebold was born on March 25, 1949, to Milton Yassenoff and Charlotte Yassenoff. Dylan takes the camera then and begins filming Eric. No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. Shocking crime scene photos explode the myths and reveal shocking details! Firstly, like everyone else he didnt pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his best friend. I do find it odd that youd characterise your 17 year old son as your best friend anyway, youre his father. Brooks Brown, now 31 years-old was a senior at Columbine during what was considered to be the worst school shooting in U.S. history. I believe the parents both left the Columbine area, and possibly the state of Colorado. Dylan kept talking about college, about his future. What happened isn't their fault. Sorry if I can't be interested in something without arousing your ire. I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. Theyd never seen his rage, nor ever felt scared of him. The people who run gifted programs are often special ed teachers who just got assigned that particular duty, and have the attitude that being smart is its own reward. FULL DOCO - PT 2 OF 3, 2. Has anyone seen it who can comment? . Too bad a pack of rabid Columbine mommies can't get together and make a punching bag out of her. Dylan wrote an essay about a school shooting that disturbed his teacher enough that it was referred to the school counselor. Very well said, r18. February 12, 2016 11:56am. You can criticize psychiatry without being a Scientologist. i think he was also quoted saying that he had lost his best friend. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. Dylans parents were hands-on parents who limited the intake of television and sugary cereals. He did it in contradiction to the way he was raised.. Great job! But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. He was fiercely independent, insisting his mother teach him how to bathe himself at the age of 5 or 6, and how to do his own laundry at age 10. Hell, Klebold and a bunch of their friends went to the prom the weekend before the killings. Outside Dylans journals, most of the information Sue got about Dylans frame of mind for the shootings came from a series of videotapes he and Eric had secretly made together. Christ R22/R32/R39 et all. The real tragedy of Columbine isn't the deaths, it's the failure to work to change our culture (from bullying to gun control) in the aftermath. None of us knows exactly how the brain works. There was a creepy thread started by a sociopathic OP a couple of weeks ago where this was discussed. On a calendar entry dated the day of the attack, April 20, the time 11:10 is written across the top an approximate reference to when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pulled out their weapons . Really just the gerden variety sociopath stuff? Not to cure it, to manage it. Harris' family eventually settled in Colorado in 1992. Dylan Klebold. His negative traits werent out of the ordinary either, really: he was very sensitive to embarrassment, which sometimes led to anger; and he was perhaps a little too independent, where he wouldnt ask for help even if he needed it like when he had to take a break from baseball after pains he never mentioned became so bad they caused his arm real damage. Her son's name became famous when in 1999 he became one of two direct perpetrators of the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history. Im going to start by reviewing what Bartol & Bartol (2017) have to say about school shooters (and shootings) as a group, though they also state there is no single school shooter profile. There will always be apologists for the Harris parents who incredibly state that parents have no control over their children. What I am saying is that the cause is something deeper and more primal than "society.". Talking about the home video they took of that day, Its absolutely stunning how normal Dylan seems (p. 235). Kids do know about their frineds. They made sure to know who their kids were spending time with, and made sure they knew and felt that they were loved. I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. His father was a geophysicist and a mother worked with the disabled . If that;s the case, why did he have so many friends? Kids hide things. Unfortunately, we only have her word today as to what went on in the home. So I'm gone. The half-Jewish Dylan Klebold is more of a cipher. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. Sue received a number of letters from people whod gone to Columbine who were more surprised that a shooting hadnt happened sooner than that one had happened at all. In general: School shootings happen most at high schools, with a student at the school acting alone as the shooter. ", Dylan: (talks about how his parents taught him to be independent and self-reliant) "I appreciate that.". Dylan was behaving differently, getting in more trouble, not always acting like himself. Eric said his father never asked whether the caller even had the right phone number. Tom's surgery was today. YOU SHOULD NOT STOP ME FROM EXPRESSING MY OPINION!!!!! Yet later, he sees them more as zombiestrickier though andmore manipulative. Real estate records indicate they bought their 10-acre plot in 1990 for $65,000. Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? The goal seems to have been parental appeasement. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. People need to understand this could have happened to them, he said. It is also true that environmental stimuli can make the difference between a kid with "problems" and a kid who becomes a "monster." 04-20-1999 Died. We've never left. When asked about Dylan's behavior, Byron indicated that Dylan appeared to be somewhat detached and he went on to explain that as a "pissed off teenager." Byron went on to state that Dylan gave no indication to believe that something like this was going to occur. Eric: "Susan, sorry. . Both Adam and Dylan seemed to have good relationships with their moms (though Adam actually ended up killing his mother the day of the shooting), both struggled in school (Adam actually switched schools a few times. psycho school, nasty students, bullshit teachers, ignorant parents, hormones, bullying, rage. We relate. Forum Reputation : 52. Yodack is a website that writes about many topics of interest to you, a blog that shares knowledge and insights useful to everyone in many fields. Eric Harris was a garden variety psychopath, nothing very interesting about him. As the son of a geophysicist father and a mother who worked with the disabled, his upper-middle-class upbringing and well-meaning family didn't seem like contributing factors to his eventual killing spree. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Harris,18, carried out their long-planned attack on the high school about 13 miles south of downtown Denver. Andreas Lubitz, Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold and Anders Breivik (from left to right) On the second . (21 at the time). Very few people really care. I encourage you to study the footage and reach out to others in the comments. So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. 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I also agree with R7. At the same time, the father must have believed that his son's future was still bright. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. I can't help it. COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. It profiles Sue Klebold, Dylan Klebold's mother, and examines what lessons Americans should take away from the tragedy. I knew he was off, different. Yesterday there was a girl in her backyard screaming like an insane person at somebody or something. Wayne & Kathy Harris are the parents of infamous Columbine HS shooter, Eric Harris. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. Based on what I've read so far, he's working off the assumption that Klebold was a depressive with self-destructive tendencies (he mentions suicide over and over in the journal kept for two years prior to the incident), and that Harris was a full-blown psychopath. "However, there is credible, tangible, measurable, and repeatable evidence that there are some people, for whatever reason, have their brains wired differently.". 5. In the April 24 column, Brooks had paraphrased an article in the online publication Slate that said Harris and Klebold yearned to become the most prolific mass murders in history. This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. Brooks said the Klebolds agreed to the interview after an exchange of e-mails initiated by Tom Klebold, who was angered by Brooks April 24 column. But there isn't one thing. [quote]You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." All the bullying stuff is bullshit. I still think it's easy to place blame on the parents within the context of what happened, but tons of kids are little miscreant assholes who commit petty shit like Eric & Dylan were doing. GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) _ Less than three months before his deadly rampage at Columbine High School, Dylan Klebold was described by a probation officer as intelligent and capable of making any dream happen, according to juvenile records made public Friday. Both were from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. Klebold attended the high . (They said no.) Indeed, R96. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. You teach people to manage their condition. Okay, well, first of all, gifted programs don't monitor shit. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. Press J to jump to the feed. WOuldn't one of the friends have felt him a little bit off, at the least? I worked as a dishwasher, then busboy then waiter in a German-American restaurant years ago when I was growing up. so it seems that they had a pretty solid relationship from what has been released. Eric Harris was quite the hottie, I don't understand why he had to go and kill himself. They are rare. ", [quote]Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". Adding to the tragedy: Six months after Hochhalter's wounding, her mother, Carla, took her own life. Dylan has been so reclusive. Of course, if the Klebolds and Harrises said they were ready to talk to the media, you can be sure they'd all scramble for the exclusive. His lower half can't be seen. The testimony people point out of a co-worker stating Dylan didnt get on with his father is unreliable as he couldve been having a teenage moan or joining in one time right up to regular bitterly disparaging remarks and reasons why. Ridiculous. The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. Maybe that's what I find so scary about the whole thing, that there are people who walk around, every day, and are completely lacking in everything that I thinks makes us human. Or it's everything. How they could live with themselves is beyond me. Tom seemed to view Dylan as his best friend/soulmate, at least according to what Sue has told us. As his father's career pulled him out of schools and away from friends leaving Plattsburgh, New York in 1993 for Colorado Harris increasingly retreated into the computer and . Can you imagine having one of those monsters as your brother? Getty, AP, AP, AFP/Getty. These things outweighed their concerns about him. His father, who had been in the military, was strict with Eric, and actions in that house had consequences. They had heard the gunmen may have been part of the Trench Coat Mafia, a loose group of students, including their son, who said athletes at Columbine bullied them. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. These kids were calculating, smart and intent on destruction. Do you think Dylans dad could embarrass him as a child in front of other people or humiliate him in other ways that could result in Dylans low self esteem or was Dylan naturally shy? He was also very close friends with the killers. From her comment on her official website, she felt it was disrespectful to focus on the killers when today should be all about the victims. By Eun Kyung Kim. This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. I didnt hear it.. Agreed that Klebold's parents seem like total cunts, delusional in their whiny victim mentality. "If a person was denying it, he would say, 'One of . Attention was paid. It was obvious that the attack had been in the works for a long time, and the plan carefully thought out. - You're all over this shit aren't ya? How are parents supposed to know everything that goes on in their children's minds? I don't know if the Klebolds had any inkling at all, but I really don't get the Harrises. [quote]It is absolutely the parents vault. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. Per the other Columbine thread, I'm in the midst of reading Dave Cullen's "Columbine." School officials, law enforcement, and the adult community learned a lot after Columbine and are doing a better job of detecting trouble. Asking how instead of why allows us to frame the descent into self-destructive behavior as the process that it is. A Further Examination: Sue Klebold's case study of her son, Dylan Klebold. I think maybe his outlook grew worse over time. When I moved out on my own I gained the privacy afforded to adults. While Id argue that violent media doesnt cause people to act violently if theyre not otherwise inclined, it seems Dylan was vulnerable to the violent games and movies he consumed outside the home. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold was the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history, . one of their coworkers at blackjack (again, cannot remember the name; most of this is just top of my head knowledge but it was a girl) said that dylan was not close with his dad and even disliked him (something to that effect), also in the 11k. Why does anyone think that parents know or care what their children do? [quote]Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stormed into Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 13 people before killing themselves. His father claimed his body but the burial site is unknown. Reb". Eric: "Yea Everyone I love, I'm really sorry about all this. Tom had a huge hobby for fixing up BMW's. Harris and Klebold met at Ken Caryl Middle School during their seventh grade year. I just don't get it. The interview is set to air on "20/20" this Friday, coinciding with . ERIC AND DYLAN 4 LIFE! The bombing was planned for April 19th, to coincide with the Oklahoma bombing, but for some reason, they were set back to the 20th. I certainly understand how they feel. Dylan Bennett Klebold. OP, I agree with you. As a teen, Dylans aversion to embarrassment became more severe, his self-consciousness more pointed. I don't think I can categorize Dylan's relationship with his parents as bad or good, because Dylan was incredibly disturbed teen and clearly had a skewed perception of reality.